fire suppression system

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Les Francisco
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fire suppression system

Postby Les Francisco » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:53 pm

I thought I saw a discussion of this on this forum but searching won't bring it up for me.

Fire suppession systems are required to have a pressure gauge.

Systems powered by a CO 2 cartridge are cheaper and seem to be easier to refill than others.

Does a lack of a pressure gauge on the cartridge make them illegal?

Chuck McAbee

Postby Chuck McAbee » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:25 pm

SCCA GCR wrote:A. On-Board Fire System Requirements
Cars registered after 1/1/09 shall comply with the following on-board fire system requirements:
• Systems certified to SFI specification 17.1
• Those listed by the FIA on Technical List No. 16
The following information must be visible of the unit:
• Certification label
• Capacity
• Type of extinguishing agent
• Weight, or volume, of the extinguishing agent
The following is acceptable for cars registered before 1/1/09:
On-board fire systems shall use Halon 1301 or 1211, with a five pound minimum capacity (by weight). Alternatively, on-board fire systems may use AFFF or equivalent surfactant foam material, 2.25 liter minimum capacity (by volume). All AFFF fire system bottles shall incorporate a functional pressure gauge and shall be marked with the manufacturer’s recom¬mended “filled weight.â€￾ CO2 cartridge propellant fire extin¬guishing systems are permitted provided that the seal of the manufacturer specified CO2 cartridge is not punctured and the fire bottle is equal to the weight specified by the system manu¬facturer.
Cars shall meet the following regardless of registration date:
1. The fire system cylinder shall be securely mounted in such a manner that it can be checked during a technical inspec¬tion and may be removed for weighing periodically for compliance to full weight shown on the cylinder. (Weight is without valve assembly

2. Manual or automatic release is allowed. The release mechanism shall be within reach of the driver when belted in the car.
3. All on-board fire systems shall be identified with a circle “Eâ€￾ decal.
a. In GT and Production cars, two circle “Eâ€￾ decals may be required – one at the release location and the second on the outside bodywork in line with or as near to the release location as possible.
b. In Formula and Sports Racing cars, a circle “Eâ€￾ decal shall be located on the outside bodywork as near to the release location as possible.
4. There shall be a minimum of two nozzle locations – one in the driver’s compartment and one in either the engine area or the fuel cell area. The nozzles shall be suitable for the type of extinguishing agent used.
5. All AFFF fire system bottles shall incorporate a functional pressure gauge. This does not apply to non-pressurized AFFF systems with CO2 propellant.
6. The firing safety pin(s) shall be removed from all on-board fire systems prior to going on track. It is recommended that a warning tag be attached to the safety pin to remind the driver to remove the safety pin before entering the racing surface.
7. All fire systems shall be serviced according to manufactur¬er’s specifications.
B. Hand-Held Fire Extinguisher Requirements
The following are acceptable for Showroom Stock, Touring and Improved Touring cars:
1. Halon 1301 or 1211, two (2) pound minimum capacity by weight.
2. Dry chemical, two (2) pound minimum with a positive indi¬cator showing charge. Chemical: 10 BC Underwriters Labora¬tory rating, potassium bicarbonate (Purple K) recommended, 1A10BC Underwriters Laboratory rating multipurpose, ammo¬nium phosphate and barium sulfate or Monnex.
3. The fire extinguisher shall be securely mounted in the cockpit. All mounting brackets shall be metal and of the quick

Les Francisco
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Postby Les Francisco » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:58 pm

I assume you were pointing out the "CO2 cartridges are permitted if the seal is not broken bit?

Read the whole thing before and that didn't register with me DUH!

Phil Green
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Postby Phil Green » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:00 pm

Les,

I just bought a Firecharger system for my car. Go directly to www.firecharger.com to buy (or some others have similar pricing). The price was significantly better than Pegasus. I found them on eBay new too.

While I was at it, I bought a recharge kit so I would never have to use the system! If I have a spare of anything, I'll never need it.

Phil

John Vriesinga
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Postby John Vriesinga » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:57 pm

Geeze Les, you're not thinking of actually spending money on the car are you? :? :lol:
JV
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Les Francisco
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Postby Les Francisco » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:04 pm

Yes John, if I have to come over there and show you how to run track trials those blasted Canuks want a fire suppression system in the car. :lol: Besides, I now have up to $25 tied up in all your Kawasaki parts

Phil, thanks for the tip, that was the AFFF system I was looking at, it seems a lot less than everyone else's price.

Chuck, thanks for straightening me out on the rule details.


Tom and I are thinking about running more of the SE division time trials series and if we don't use the 2000 the other cars need a bottle to run in the hillclimbs etc.

Dave Phaneuf
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Postby Dave Phaneuf » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:31 pm

Les
I may have a charged fire bottle out in the garage somewhere?
I can take a look if you still need one, don't remember the
brand but it's halon and has a gauge.
Dave


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